… what seems like the most overblown “gaffe” in the history of the world. It seems that the words were poorly chosen, but the point he’s making isn’t original. Hell, there was an entire book written on the point he was making.
The idea that people don’t trust the government to do anything useful about their jobs or the economy and therefore ignore that when they vote seems pretty obvious. For what it’s worth (and I’ve been vocal on my views on the primary), I don’t see the big deal with what he said. But then again, I’m a Northeast liberal or something, so say the Clinton and McCain supporters at least.
On a related note, if you want to see the worst coming out from Clinton supporters, simply go read any comment thread at TalkLeft on a post by Jeralyn or BTD. Holy crap, these people hate Obama.
On a more positive note, I finished my taxes and, through the magic of e-filing, the IRS has accepted them. Awesome.
Update: I guess I should clarify — I didn’t get the impression, reading the original quote, that Obama was putting down guns and faith voters, but saying that of the range of issues, economic, faith, foreign policy, etc, voters in middle America have lost faith in the government’s interest in fixing economic issues, so they fall back to voting on the other issues. It doesn’t really strike me as controversial. If you want to argue that he’s wrong, that’s fine. This whole idea that he was putting down rural or central Pennsylvanian voters is silly, though.
This isn’t a new idea. Thomas Frank wrote a book about it, as I said. While I didn’t love the book, the core of the argument seems sound to me. In fact, Obama himself has addressed this before in a more formal interview setting where his wording conveys his actual beliefs:
Look, if you disagree with the premise here, campaign on it. His wording wasn’t great but Clinton and the GOP’s response is stupid. Truly.





April 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Ok, I’ve been sort of quiet on the Obama/Hillary front since our exchange over email about my reaction to the press coverage of Hillary and her campaign. But this statement:
On a related note, if you want to see the worst coming out from Clinton supporters, simply go read any comment thread at TalkLeft on a post by Jeralyn or BTD. Holy crap, these people hate Obama.
ignores the fact that the sentiment goes both ways. Perhaps you don’t notice it since you’re an Obama supporter, but the vitriol against Hillary on some of the major liberal websites (including DailyKos and others) easily meets or surpases any vitriol leveled against Obama by Hillary supporters.
Salon has a pretty good article up today that pretty closely aligns with some of my feelings about the tone of some of the anti-Hillary/pro-Obama rhetoric out there.
Certainly, I understand that you support Obama, and have your problems with Hillary. And I certainly support posts that are meant to describe in policy (or other) terms why you support one candidate over another. But I would encourage you to give further consideration to all of these “tone of the campaign” comments. The fact is, for any “dirty tricks” or the like you can cite to from the Clinton camp (and I still disagree with calling Hillary supporters the “Clinton team”), there are similar charges that can be leveled against Obama and/or his supporters.
Frankly, the tone of some of your posts is starting to turn me off, which is part of the reason I’ve gone back to being somewhat quiet around here (that, coupled with general life stuff). This, despite the fact that I know you, respect you, and don’t believe that your position comes from maliciousness on your part. I fear that others reading your words, who don’t have the benefit of knowing you, may react even more negatively. (And before you say it, yes, I agree that both sides should cool off the rhetoric about how horrible the other side/their supporters are behaving. I’m turned off by it on both sides, and would rather people focus their efforts on articulating why they support a particular candidate, not why the other side is nothing but a group of dirty, no-good politicians. Unfortunately, you’re the only blogger I have any hope of convincing.)
April 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I sent you an email…
I hear you, and I’ve tried to be sensitive to that. It’s not just you, for the record. I’ve heard from other people about the same thing, so I’ve adjusted my posting style. it’s been almost 3 weeks since I’ve said anything negative about Clinton. 2 pages of posts before you get back there. I think I’ve backed off.
As for the charges that can be leveled at supporters, I can only write about what I read in my increasingly limited time. I used to read TalkLeft weekly. I don’t really read DKos unless something is linked to from somewhere else (i’ve generally found DKos to be filled with randomness even when the topics aren’t this heated).
I also react poorly to being treated like an idiot, and I get a lot more of that from the Clinton campaign than the Obama campaign. Tuzla? lifelong gun owner Hillary? Accusing a fellow ivy leaguer as “elitist?” Yeesh.
Anyway, I hear you, and I’ve done what I can to back off. I’ll talk you over email… just felt like I should say something to everyone else reading.
Sujal
April 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Funny. I’m just now seeing this comment…
April 14th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Yup, there are crazies on both sides. I’m not talking about them…