As I mentioned in my review of An Inconvenient Truth, Heidi and I are working on taking steps to reduce our own carbon footprint. We went through one of the easier changes today, switching out nearly all of our incandescent light bulbs for new, energy efficient compact fluorescent bulbs.
Switching to CF bulbs is pretty easy, but they are different so there are a couple of unique issues to deal with. The first CF bulbs we bought a few years ago have a bright white light like the fluorescent lights you might find at an office. Most incandescent bulbs have a warmer, more yellow light. I’m not sure whether it’s just because we’re used to that color or if it has some deeper explanation, but the warmer colors are much more pleasant to come home to.
Luckily, these days CF bulbs come in the same soft white color that you get with traditional bulbs. The light is a bit whiter than a similar incandescent, but it’s not very noticeable. They still make bright white and daylight CF Bulbs, so check the packaging if the color is important to you. Not all brands come in the different colors, so you may find yourself compromising on this to get packages with more bulbs or whatever.
The brand we liked for color was the n:vision brand bulbs sold at Home Depot. The Commercial Electric brand also sold at Home Depot didn’t have a soft white color style bulb, so their bulbs were a little whiter than we liked. Check the Wikipedia entry linked below for color temps that you should check for on packages. Also, certain brands are only sold in certain stores. For example, Home Depot sells n:vision, Commercial Electric, and some Philips brand CF bulbs, but Lowe’s sells Bright Effects and Sylvania CF bulbs.
Another problem with CF bulbs is their shape. The most common and least expensive CF bulbs look nothing like regular bulbs. The image at left shows two regular bulbs and three different sizes of CF bulbs. Unlike incandescent bulbs, the higher the wattage, the bigger the bulbs. As a result, some bulbs don’t fit lamps or fixtures that are made for incandescents.
As you can see in the image, only the smallest bulb there is the same size as the incandescent bulb. That bulb is a 60W equivalent bulb. The other two are 75W and 100W equivalent bulbs. In applications where you need brighter bulbs, these bulbs may not fit. It’s worth checking this before investing in too many bulbs.
We weren’t able to replace all the bulbs in the house because the bulbs we bought can’t be used with dimmers. There are dimmable CF bulbs, but both Home Depot and Lowe’s turned up a big fat zero. We have a few fixtures that are on dimmers, so those are still running incandescent bulbs until we find the right kind.
Of course, there’s that one nice thing about these bulbs. These are 60W, 75W, and 100W equivalents. The actual wattage is 13W, 14W, and 23W. This is easily worth the initial investment, about $90 in bulbs for every bulb in the house. The bulbs also claim a 7-9 year life span. This depends on use, though, so we’ll see what bulbs work for us.
If you want to know more about CF bulbs, you can check the following resources:
- EnergyStar.gov’s CFL site
- Wikipedia’s entry, which contains color information, how these bulbs work, and loads of interesting info






July 3rd, 2006 at 7:26 AM
I switched many of our lights to compact fluorescent about a year or two ago. Half of the bulbs I hate and half I like.
While it could be my fixtures, about half of the bulbs that I have purchased don’t always turn on when I flip the switch. They may turn on if I give them a half turn out and then back in. Swapping bulbs around seems to show that it is the bulbs. The things are just too expensive to end up tossing half of them.
July 3rd, 2006 at 9:05 AM
The wikipedia page makes it sound like brand matters… like most new (or newish) technologies, it seems like the bigger companies do a better job with manufacturing.
We ended up with mostly n:vision bulbs, so we’ll see how we do. I would’ve rather purchased the Philips bulbs, especially since they’re dimmable.
July 3rd, 2006 at 10:30 AM
My wife and I replaced a lot of our bulbs after seeing the documentary “Kilowatt Ours” last year. We are pretty happy with the bulbs in most places (I think they are Sylvania, unfortunately we could not find a wide selection around here, and had the same problem with shape/size you did), but they do not get as bright, overall, as their incandescent alternatives. In some rooms this makes a difference to those sensitive to the light/mood interaction. Also in some places where you want “Light, NOW!”, we’ve kept the incandescents since our CFs start up slow.
July 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 AM
I forgot to mention that Heidi and I bought a small number of CF bulbs from Ikea when we bought our house and those behaved the way DL describes. They take a while to really get bright and are pretty dull. The new bulbs we bought this weekend are much, much better in that regard. So far we’re happy.
July 5th, 2006 at 9:29 AM
That’s great, sujal. I will definitely pick up one of those new bulbs for us to try.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:55 PM
Has anyone found dimmable reflector shape cfls? I would happily replace all of my bulbs but my house has mostly recessed cans and they are on dimmers. I don’t think it would look very nice to have the spirals sticking down from the cieling, and I heard it shortens the bulbs life if they are dimmed.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:47 AM
We just bought a hous and the previous owner was a light-nut. Just in the basement we have something like 20 recessed floodlights! And to make thing worse, they are all on dimmers!
In teh bathroom we have 6 vanity lights, and they were 40W each. Just feeling the heat waves coming from the bathroom…
Any non-dimmable light in the house was replaced with a CF bulb. IKEA sells many types of CF lights, including ones for smaller sockets (vanity lights).
As for dimmables,
Check out:
http://www.nolico.com/saveenergy/dimmable_lamps.htm
I’m still looking. About three years ago I bought a dimmable CF at home-depot and it was also rated 150W equivalent.
If someone finds other places to buy these dimmable lights, please let us know….
August 8th, 2006 at 10:12 PM
I just picked up two dimmable CFL reflectors from Home Depot – a 60W and 85W equivalent. I tried them each in my kitchen recessed cans where I’m currently running 2 75W halogen PARs, and I’m sad to say even the 85W version wasn’t putting out the same amount of light… I think this is because the reflector-style CFLs are essentially just a spiral bulb enclosed in a reflector, and as opposed to the PARs I’m running now they have semi-transparent reflectors – that is, some light escapes out the back. I’m thinking possibly with a new trim on the recessed light, one that was itself a reflector instead of a baffle, it would be closer. For now, I’m back to the halogens and using the dimmable CFLs in the basement.
(They actually dim really well! And they’re at Home Depot! N:Vision I think)
August 8th, 2006 at 10:55 PM
… I take it back – Philips 85w from HD, and a GE 65w from a local Ace Hardware. Got a nice n:vision 3-way from HD, too.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:40 PM
I got curious after reading an article on CF bulbs and now my house is full of them. I bought n:vision at Home Depot and like them. The soft white is identical to the incandescent and the brightness is maybe just a little brighter on equivalent wattage. My n:vision three-way didn’t work in one 3-way lamp but works perfectly in another. I have not tried any other brand of bulb and I am happy with these.
September 28th, 2006 at 7:10 PM
Reducing our consumption of energy is surely the right thing to do. I bought a pack of GE soft white75 compact fluorescentlamps (made in China) and tried them in our home. Unfortunately they emit an audible and annoying buzzing noise, so I had to go back to incandescent. (Our home tends to be very quiet.) They do work well in the garage where the sound is unimportant. In cold weather, of course, they take a while to come up to full brightness. The light quality is quite good.
Has anyone found the N:VISION lamps to be unacceptably noisy? Quieter than other brands? I’d like to try a few, but don’t want them ending up on the shelf, unused.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:02 PM
While at Home Depot recently I noticed they had a sale going on for N:Vision CFL light bulbs. A 4 pack of both 9 watt (40 watt) and 15 watt (60 watt) selling for under $5.00. I figured I would at least try them. I am glad I did. First off I may be the minority here but I actually like the spiral shape, but they do now have them in most shapes that current incandescent come in. Secondly, the light given off with the cfl bulbs are actually noticably BRIGHTER! I don’t know why people say they aren’t as bright. although they do take up to 30 seconds in some instances to get to full brightness. Just compare the lumens (brightness) on the box with incandescent bulbs of the same wattage and see the cfl’s have more lumens almost in every instance. Another great benefit is that the cfl bulbs do not get very hot. My old globe shaped bulbs on my bathroom vainity mirror would get so hot the room would actually heat up! With the new globe shaped CFL’s I can actually touch the bulbs and feel only a warm sensation.
I have not been able to get dimmable CFL flood lights yet as Home Depot doesn’t seem to carry them yet in my area, But I surely will get them when they are available.
In conclusion, replacing the old incandescent bulbs with the CFL is a NO BRAINER!
Good Points
1) They are BRIGHTER
2) They use only 1/4 of the electricity
3) They burn COOLER
4) They last about 10 TIMES LONGER
Bad Points
1) They will take a few seconds to reach full brightness.
2) Dimmable ones are not readily available yet.
3) They are more expensive initially
October 17th, 2006 at 2:28 PM
Good points, Chris. The one thing I’ve heard, though not really researched, is that the heat in the winter months can actually save you some money by heating a room a tiny bit. Not sure how realistic that is, but It’s worth thinking about.
Sujal
November 7th, 2006 at 11:22 PM
I’ll add a comment or two and poll type question to the mix.
1) Has anyone compared the differences of lamp orientation?
I noticed on the Sylvania units sold at Lowe’s state that they can have at least a 10% loss of light output when the lamp is oriented “spiral side” up. I wonder if this explains why some folks think that theirs are not as bright as incandescent.
2) I decided to be cheap and purchase the “Bright Ideas” CFLs 100% because of the price difference… I wonder what is really different (color temp, warm-up time, start-up flicker, etc.) between the two brands. Certainly cost is a factor $10 for 6 compared to $9 for 3 Sylvania brand CFL. (The business man in me says that they are probably assembled in the same Chinese factory.)
November 15th, 2006 at 10:39 AM
I have used the FEIT ones ( Home Depot ) Awful. But people go for CHEAP every time. I returned them all.
GE Flood CFLs were pretty good. You do not see the coils, and the light rendition is very good. They come up to full brightness fast, and no buzzing or interference ( I am at 1 mile altitude, so your mileage certainly may vary )
Just bought some N:Vision ones, but not even going to try them…. only 90 watt ( 1000 Lumen ) I need a real good flood light.
CFLs do not distinguish between flood and spotlights… it is a “whatevuuuuuuuh” product.
Looking at L.E.D. floods. Currently, they run about 35.00 each. But the 10 year life, virtually no heat, no ballast power waste ( 10% cost of running incandescent ) shock resistence… all sounds good.
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November 15th, 2006 at 11:16 AM
Jeff, if you use the LEDs, come back and leave a comment. I’d love to know how they work.
Thanks,
Sujal
November 15th, 2006 at 1:09 PM
We just launched a new searchable guide to energy-efficient light bulbs at Environmental Defense:
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/go/cflguide
We had some of our staff test and review every bulb that we put on the site — from standard spiral bulbs to specialized lights like dimmable reflectors and globe shapes. You’ll also find a quick list of tips and a tool that let’s you calculate how much you can expect to save on your energy bill by switching to CFLs.
See what you think!
November 19th, 2006 at 10:12 AM
Given the cost of each bulb, I mark each with the date put in service on the base. “Commercial Electric” brand compact fluorescent floods from Home Depot have an astoundingly high premature failure rate. I just threw out one of these put in service in May of this year. It had maybe two hours’ use per day. The early failure of a single bulb erases the cost savings from several others (if they actually reach their advertised life span). I have not had much better luck with GE’s top-of-the line bulbs either. As with just about all the high-tech wizardry I own, the idea is great, but the utility leaves a lot to be desired. After work, I find I spend more and more time trying to get all of my electronics to work as they are advertised.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:48 PM
Steve,
You mention early failure. I got on this site to see if any one else had this problem. Yours was the last of 18 entries and first to bring it up. I went on-line to find out about n:vision to complain. Didn’t remember that they are apparently from Home Depot. I have had VERY BAD LUCK with them as far as life span is concerned. I also mark mine with both the “advertised life span” and the “date installed.” I have in my hand a “6 year lifer”, installed “10/06″ and deader than a mackerel (as of 11/06). Not a good deal. Have experienced other early failures making my process of converting to florecent a bit cautions.
I will continue to search for total package (cost, durability, cost to operate/efficiency) etc. but can’t say I am sold on the n:vision product.
Heard incandescents are only 5% efficient (5% light, 95% heat) can this be true? or is it a sucker pitch to the unsuspecting but “I thought so” crowd? Any one know?
November 27th, 2006 at 6:06 PM
I recently converted my house to CFL’s (7/06) using 50 Sylvania and Bright Effects bulbs. I had one Bright Effects CFL go out 11/06, but the rest are OK so far. My outdoor lights were switched out in mid-2005, are on 12 hrs/day, and just recently needed to be replaced, so my guess is it’s an isolated 1-5% of bulbs that don’t cut it. Of course, getting a hold of Bright Effects to report a problem (866-326-BULB) is easier said than done.
Still, in SoCal where I live, the cost savings is so great that even if they last 1 year, they more than pay for themselves. Higher-tier electricity costs (using > 900kWh/ month in the summer or 700kWh in the winter) now run $0.36/kWh!!! Does anyone else out there have such outrageous rate structures?
November 29th, 2006 at 5:56 PM
I have had mixed results with the Commercial Electric CFL’s from Home Depot. I am satisfied with the lighting levels, but have had two failures. The first was replaced at no cost – just called the 800# on the bulb. Tried that for the second, and the 800# is wrong. Some poor guy gets two or three calls a day for Commercial Electric. Anyway, I like the energy savings and will continue to use CFLs where possible, and will take this bad boy back to Home Depot and get a replacement (or $ back) from them.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:19 AM
I have installed several N:vision spiral and reflector CFL bulbs (Home Depot) and 3 Sylvania CFL reflector bulbs (Sylvania). The 14W N:vision spiral bulbs have been great. They are brighter than the 60W incandescent bulbs they replaced, are quite bright when first turned on, and reach full brightness in 10-20 seconds. I haven’t been as happy with the N:vision CFL reflector bulbs. They start up very dim and the warm up time to full brightness is > 1 minute. One bulb flickered as soon as installed and lasted only 1 week before the bulb failed. However, once they reach full brightness they are as bright as the 65W halogen spotlights they replaced and the color (soft white) is very similar. The Sylvania reflector bulbs from Lowes are a crisp white color that differs from the more yellow light of the halogens. I have gotten used to this color light and even like it more for my basement. The Sylvania reflector bulb is not nearly as dim as the N:vision reflector bulb at initial startup and becomes fully bright in a much shorter time (20-30 seconds). However, the Sylvania bulbs cost $8 apiece whereas the N:vision cost approximately $3 apiece. So, I’m still looking for a more perfect PAR30 reflector bulb (fast start, good color, good price) to replace all the remaining halogens currently in my house. Any suggestions would be helpful.
December 2nd, 2006 at 10:47 AM
Tom/Steve,
Regarding early failure, I just replaced an n:vision 14W (60W equivalent) after less than three weeks. Did get a great price at Home Depot on them (6 for $10) so even with one bad one that’s $2 a bulb, still a good deal, keeping it in perspective. Anyone else have longer-term experience?
December 4th, 2006 at 12:31 PM
Honestly these n:vision bulbs are crap! Supposedly there is a 7 Year warranty, but I don’t believe mine lasted 7 Weeks. (Six bulbs that do not work.) Calling the manufacturing is a test in patience also. They are a rip off.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:46 PM
Our factory changed out the entire shop and office this last year from HID’s in the shop and a less efficent flourescent in the office. The change was to a daylight style flouresent tube. What a difference! Everything is noticably brighter and cheerier. Daylight reproducing flourescent bulbs are wonderful because they really do mimic natural sunlight (you know, what the human body was used to reacting to for most of history?). They take a little getting used to, give them about two or three weeks and you won’t want to go back. We did need to repaint the office walls from white to a warmer light tan color and things, colors, actually seem much warmer in the office now too! The shop floor loves the lights and they are so much brighter for so much less money. Let’s say there were a fair number of skeptics, myself included, when we made this change, but I’m now sold. Thanks to our utility for pushing us and other customers (through rebates), to make this change.
I have now replaced most of my home bulbs with CFB (minus the oven and fridge). What sold me on them is a combo. First, the bulbs are now at a stage that they really are an acceptable drop in replacement. Second, they are a large cost savings. Third, they reduce energy usage, and that does a number of good things for our nation politically and, of course, there are some environmental benefits as well.
Heh. And, I am quite a libertarian/republican. If I’m willing to make the change with even a tiny little eye towards the environment, then if you are a lefty and have any incandescents in your house where they can be legit replaced, you are the most ardent hypocrite.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:10 PM
I bought a pack of n:vision bulbs about a month ago, with two or three of those bulbs put in service, and I bought another two packs this week. Oh boy.
Guess I should be checking my watch to wait for one of the installed bulbs to fail this month? :p
December 12th, 2006 at 4:22 AM
I like the Commercial Electric bulbs, which appear to be a Home Depot brand. I’ve been replacing them in my can fixtures…the CE floods fill the fixtures and make them look ‘right’ unlike the old, smaller incandescents and they are BRIGHTER than hell, much brighter than the incandescents and they’re cheap to run, so I don’t have to bitch at the kids. All six running in the kitchen use about as much as a single incandescent. Nifty! We’ll see about the 7 year lifespan…I’ll hold Home Depot’s feet to the fire if they don’t last.
Next stop: LED bulbs…they should be affordable by then.
Hoggy
AnOTHER Inconvenient Truth?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,224061,00.html
December 17th, 2006 at 6:31 PM
I tried using some of the CFLs (compact fluorescent light) before, and just now went back to try them again. The first ones were just so big that they didn’t fit in many of my fixtures, had shorter warranties, and just didn’t seem to last long enough to warrant their expense. I have learned a few things since my first try, so I thought I would share what I have learned:
You can NOT and should not use them everywhere that you can use a regular bulb, so shape, size, and design mean EVERYTHING. Just like you can’t use a regular incadescent bulb in some recessed or track lighting fixtures, many of those require special bulbs also.
Other places you should not use CFLs:
1. Any high-humidity location, such as bathrooms.
2. Outside, unless in a WELL enclosed fixture. I haven’t tried one in a very cold location (I live in FL), so I couldn’t tell you how that works.
3. Any location where lights are frequently turned off and on.
All of these shorten the life of the bulb by MANY times its rated life. Basically, use them only where you might keep a light on all day or for more than a few minutes, such as living room and kitchen. We have two bedrooms where the lights stay on longer also, so we use them also. One is the master bedroom where the computer is also located, the other is one child’s room where he is constantly watching movies and/or playing video games and/or talking on the phone (frequently all 3 at the same time!). Basically, if you turn on a CFL, leave it on until you are completely done in that room for the night, don’t turn it on and off. Other key places are where lights are left on all day long, all night long, or both.
To compromise, we swiched to energy saving incandescent bulbs in hallways, bathrooms, the porch and rooms where switches are turned on and off frequently. They still give off heat and use more electricity than a CFL, but last longer (than CFLs) in places that get “switched” alot and still save a fraction.
Also, you need to check locations that use 3-way switches. Just like you can’t use regular CFLs on dimmers, the same applies to locations with a 3-way switch: It will kill the bulb quick unless its rated for dimmers and/or 3-way switches.
In addition, check your wiring!!! We did and found what I suspected in 1/2 the rooms of our house. You would be supprised how many light switches are hooked up wrong, with the wires connected backwards (neutral wire on the wrong connector). You will usually know when this happens when you can’t figure out why an incadescent bulb burns out in one room in 1/4 or 1/2 the time of another room. This is also a bulb killer for the CFLs and they will die a fast death in these locations.
Next, price , energy usage and warranty vary GREATLY. I found 4 N:Vision 60 watt equivilant (14 watt) bulbs at The Home Depot for $7.97 with a 9 year warranty. Other stores, like Walmart had similar bulbs that were not soft white, had only a 3 or 5 year warranty, some used up to 16 watts in the same 60 watt equivilant bulb, and cost that same price or more for only 3 bulbs. It pays off in the long run to check your options, but then again, warranties are only as good as the company that backs them, so, I will just have to wait and see how long this batch lasts and whether or not I have any warranty issues.
Finally, you shouldn’t just throw these CFLs in the garbage, as they contain a very tiny amount of mercury. If one breaks, you are not in danger (except for broken glass), as the amount is about the size of a tip of a ball-point pen, less than 1/100 of the mercury in a small medical thermometer. But still, every little bit adds to the landfills. In mose areas, they have locations setup to accept the bulbs as “hazardous household materials” and you can check the CFL websites to find one in your area. In my area, True Value Hardware stores will take the used bulbs for your.
For some good resource information, check out http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls
December 17th, 2006 at 9:12 PM
Thanks for the info, JD. I can share some of our experiences over the last few months that might answer some of the questions you raised.
First, cold weather affects them a great deal. The lamps took no time to get to their brightest during the summer, but in the winter at night when we turn the heat down, we can notice a longer warm up time for the bulbs.
The bulb we put outside is almost useless for minutes at a time in cold weather. Over the last few weeks, when the night temps have been at 30-40°F each night, the bulbs take minutes to start up. We’re going back to incandescents outside with sensors or timers attached to each circuit.
Beyond that, though, the lights have held up well and are nice and bright when they get warmed up. We love how they’ve allowed us to get more light into some rooms without worrying about heat or strain on the electrical circuits.
Oh, I’ve noticed some buzzing on the lights in my wife’s office. I’m not sure which brand we put in there, but there’s definitely buzzing that’s more pronounced during the colder days in the house.
Overall, I’m happy, but there’s definitely more to the switchover than I expected.
Sujal
December 24th, 2006 at 11:32 AM
I just have one question for Al Gore while he was filming: Did the lighting used to illuminate his face use Compact Fluorescent Lights or thousands of watts of incadescent bulbs?
December 24th, 2006 at 1:42 PM
I’ve had varied results with CFLs in the past. A lot of them didn’t last long, didn’t put out the advertised light output, or came on very slowly. The Commercial Electric and Lights of America versions had all these problems. The ones I bought today from HD are the spiral n:vision brand and they work great. They come on instantly with about 90% output, and reach 100% output after they warm up for 10-20 seconds. For the 14/60W version, a single one was $3.97, the 4 pack was $7.97, and the 6 pack was $9.99. A good value as long as they don’t break for a decent amount of time.
I’ve started marking them with the date of install on a small area of the metal base so I know how long they are lasting. We’ll see.
January 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 PM
JD_in_FL says:
“Also, you need to check locations that use 3-way switches. Just like you can’t use regular CFLs on dimmers, the same applies to locations with a 3-way switch: It will kill the bulb quick unless its rated for dimmers and/or 3-way switches.”
I can understand the issue with dimmers since they generally use an SCR type of device to cut off part of the incoming sine wave of AC to the bulb. But 3 WAY switches should have absolutely no affect on a bulb since they are simply a pair of single pole double throw switches put in series.
“backwards (neutral wire on the wrong connector). You will usually know when this happens when you can’t figure out why an incadescent bulb burns out in one room in 1/4 or 1/2 the time of another room. This is also a bulb killer for the CFLs and they will die a fast death in these locations.”
With AC it would make no difference if the “hot” and neutral are swapped. A light bulb has no concept of polarity.
January 10th, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Maybe my electrician is full of it then, but when he said the switch was hooked up wrong, the switch interrupted the wrong wire, and that was why the light bulbs didn’t last long in those rooms. Since he changed the wires around, the bulbs last normal. Its not worth debating, but it worked for me and thought it was worth mentioning that if bulbs burn out much faster than normal, it might be worth getting your wiring checked.
January 10th, 2007 at 7:51 PM
As far as the 3-way switch, I am not an electrician, so I don’t know. All I can do is quote http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls who states,
“If a light fixture is connected to a dimmer or 3-way switch, select CFLs that are labeled for this use”.
In the living room where I have a three-way switch, the CFLs lasted less than 18 months. Armed with what this website states and past experience, the 3-way switch must have something to do with the short life. All I can do is wait to see how long the next batch lasts.
January 11th, 2007 at 7:18 PM
Has anyone had trouble using the harp extenders provided with the three way bulbs? We are two adults feeling like idiots becuase we can’s get them to work with our table lamps. Is it us or them?
January 13th, 2007 at 5:03 PM
So I have used many different flourescent bulbs in my home over many years. I went to CFLs and other home flourescent bulbs well over 10 years ago when they were $15-20 per bulb purchased as singles. I predominantly use floodlights in overhead recessed lighting in a 4,000+ sq ft house with 9 ft ceilings. We live in the northeast so in the winter, we turn our lights on around 4:30PM in December and run them all the way to 10PM every day. Here’s what I have found.
The quality of the bulb is the most important factor. They roughly breakdown into two groups bright/cool white and warm/soft white. The second grouping is the one that I have focused on for general lighting throughout my home (over 60-80 bulbs in use today). The first grouping, while really bright tends to be harsh you your eyes over time and actually creates a “flat” look to colors in the house. These were the first generation of lights in the stores. Home Depot carried Commercial Electric as a brand with this kind of lighting effect. I used both the 16w and 23w bulbs in different areas. So far almost all of them have lasted anywhere between 2-3 years and I am just starting to retire them as they “burn out” with the new generation of 23w bulbs that are softer in lighting effect. Maybe I’m lucky but I probably have only had about 2-3 premature failures over 5-7 years and 40-50 bulbs historically.
Now, most of the makers have a “rating” of some sort to distinguish between the two. The latest n:Vision bulbs in Home Depot appear to be pretty good and I have several of their floodlights (23W rated = to 120W incandescent) in several rooms right now. I can’t tell you anything about life since I’ve only had them in for about 6-8 months but they’re doing fine. You can get both the warmer white and bright white pretty easily. The other nice thing is that they are just starting to sell 2-packs and 4-packs which help cut your cost per bulb. The 4-packs are virtually sold out every time I’ve been in the store recently. One key thing, if you want real reading light, you need the 23w (equivalent to 120w incandescent). The lower 14-16w bulbs (equivalent to 65w bulbs) are OK but the lighting appears washed out. I don’t believe it’s strong enough for a studying student reading for a couple of hours at the desk level.
I do agree with some of other writers here that one of the issues around flourescent lights is their start up time. The better ones “ignite” quickly but I’ve found that it takes roughly 1-3 minutes for floodlight lamps to get to full strength and the smaller CFLs about 30-60 seconds in some cases. I do agree that heat does affect them simewhat. In one area of my house where they are subject to more attic coolness in the winter, they can take up to 3 minutes to get to full strength. I have noticed that the n:Vision bulbs appear to start a little brighter and come up to full strength faster than the Commercial Electrics that preceded them. Maybe it’s just that they are newer so we’ll see. (In flourescent tube bulbs, an older bulb takes longer to come on and go to full strength.)
If you are constantly turning a light on and off throughout the day, this is not the best use of a flourescent light and the “starter” in the bulb will gradually degrade. The best areas that I use them are in general areas where we leave them on for hours (kitchen, family rooms, game rooms, etc. They save money and we can leave the lights on without concern about running up huge bills.
As for the spiral, compact bulbs (CFLs) they are a good replacement for light bulbs that you leave on for a little bit. The soft white quality bulbs are making this a lot more appealing. I haven’t yet gone to “daylight” bulbs through the house yet (only in a couple of lamps) so I am still “trying them out” for lighting effect.
On 3 way switches, I have several bulbs running on these types of switches and it hasn’t shortened their life. I do agree that a miswired switch will cause the light to malfunction somewhat (it doesn’t go off, etc.) but I corrected the wiring on these immediately when I first tried those lamps in. On buzzing, I haven’t really heard anything in all of my bulbs so I can’t comment.
Just to repeat some other writers, these are not meant for dimmers at all.
For all those people who are giving these a try for the first time, take heart – I believe that I have saved a lot of money and have had a happier family. Instead of harassing my family to turn lights off as they go from room to room with old incandescent bulbs, I feel that I can light our house fully at night and on dark days fully (almost all the rooms are on the entire night) without feeling that I’m throwing money away and being environmentally ignorant. The most recent step I took was to put rooms on timers following our living pattern and I would tell you that my wife feels much happier in a well lit house (I work late frequently) as a safety factor and the timers work like clockwork whether we’re here or not so no one has an idea if we’re out or not. If you think about it, I can run one room of flourescent lights for over five hours for the cost of old incandescents for 1 hour – its brain dead math (23w vs 120w.
Don’t get discouraged. It’s well worth your quality of life, quality of environment and pocketbook.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:54 PM
Hi, first time visitor to site and first time buyer of CFLs. Taking advantage of a sale at HD, I replaced nearly 2 dozen incandescents around the home this weekend with n:vision CFL’s. Trial and error method, I bought a variety of bulbs: 40/60/75 watt equivalents; sprials and “normal” shaped bulbs(for porches). Need to replace a few more before house is totally “green” (do they make a 3-way, 100 watt equivalent? Could only find 150W at HD). It feels good trying to do my part
Now, I’ll see if I can get some friends to do their part.
January 20th, 2007 at 6:23 PM
hello….i have 1 of the bright effects light bulbs and it started smokeing and catching on fire…..this could be a real fire hazzard so i thoguth i would report this bug
February 10th, 2007 at 12:26 AM
I’ve been using the new compact fluorescent bulbs in our cellar / hallway since they 1st came out in the late 1980’s. They were rather pricey in those days at $18.00 + per bulb. However, we leave these lights on for at least 6 hrs. / day & over the years have saved us far more electricity than their original cost. I had 2 bulbs last about 11 years. Amazing.
I’ve switched at least 75 % of our indoor lighting to the CF lights. I’ve always severely Disliked the warm yellowish unnatural colors the incandescent light bulbs have produced. Most of the CF bulbs produce a beautiful bright white light that imitate natural sunlight & bring out in-home colors as real, not an off-white yellowish for example. Many of my friends & I have stayed clear of these CF bulbs that produce the same soft white color that you get with incandescent bulbs. The brighter white light is easier on the eyes & you need a lower wattage equivalent to produce the same amount of light.
Switching to the compact fluorescent bulbs are very easy, especially when you see your Utility Bill decrease $20 / month.
I’ve always disliked the frosty glass that encapsules the incandescent light bulbs, since I’ve been a child. Not only are they ugly, but, they also restrict the light output. These CF Bulbs are more pleasing & make a lamp far brighter. Unfortunately, these CF Bulbs don’t fit the “old-style” lamp fixtures that are made for incandescents. Therefore, you must purchase the CF Bulbs that have a plastic capsule built around them.
February 10th, 2007 at 8:30 PM
We purchased a pack of the n:vision bulbs at Home Depot right after New Year’s Day. As of today, one has already burned out. I don’t believe I will be spending any more money on them.
February 15th, 2007 at 4:37 PM
LOOKING FOR N:VISION WEB SITE ..CAN THESE BULBS BE USED ON DIMMER SWITCH
February 16th, 2007 at 2:38 PM
The technology is not there to produce a truly dimmable CFL…. If you have them on a dimmer you will fry the ballast within the lamp.
http://www.SOSLightBulbs.com
February 17th, 2007 at 4:31 PM
I found the website for the N:Vision light bulbs sold at home depot. It is http://www.tcpi.com. However, I could not find an answer to my problem with their bulbs. I have a 3-way bulb. On two lamps it only comes on on the second click and on the third lamp it does not work at all. Any thoughts??
February 17th, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Hmmm… it should work. Here is a link to the TCP product page we have on three way lightbulbs. Are you sure you bought a three way bulb?
http://www.soslightbulbs.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=143829&cat=1699&page=1
Jason
February 19th, 2007 at 4:35 PM
It does look like the one in the picture, but it is missing the black “bubble” thing on the bottom of the screw in part. You think that might have something to do with it?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:03 AM
Don’t know…. the black bubble thing is simply the contact for the bulb. I wish I could help you more – you could send it back to where you bought it and ask for a no charge replacement.
Jason
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 PM
The n:vision bulbs from Home Depot come in three color temperatures, which is one reason I like them the best. The packages are also distinguished by three separate color schemes. What I have experienced is that the SOFT WHITE bulbs give off a yellowish (warm)color, the BRIGHT WHITE bulbs are the most natural to my eyes, and the DAY LIGHT bulbs tend to be bluish, harsh – “creates a flat look in colors,” as one reviewer has already stated.
Home Depot stores in NW Houston are sold out of multi-packs of 40/60/75w bulbs in both the BRITE WHITE and DAY LIGHT configurations. Most n:vision displays now contain either only the SOFT WHITE multi-packs or the very much more expensive single packs of BRITE WHITE and DAY LIGHT bulbs. Just like any other fluorescent light bulb, read the packaging carefully or you won’t be happy with the color of the light.
The second reason I like n:vision 40/60/75w bulbs is because they turn on with full brightness, i.e., there is no delay when you flip on the light switch, nor have I noticed any “warm-up” lag-time from off to to full brightness.
I have not found the choice of these three styles of bulbs in any other store; not Lowes, not Costco, not Wal-Mart. When you see the words “Warm Light” on the package, think yellow light.
Oh, third and last (almost forgot). I think that the metal threads on all of these CFL bulbs are stainless steel. Please anyone correct me on this, but this makes for a bulb which screws smoothly into and out of the fixture socket unlike the incandescent bulbs which we have all been buying forever, many of which are difficult to install and/or remove without breaking the bulb, particularly those found in ceiling fans.
Too bad all these great ideas have to come to us in a bulb manufactured in China instead of from an American company … like GE!
March 3rd, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Hi-
Great insight on the various lighting options that n:vision bulbs offer. I did want to clarify though that while n:vision is a brand manufactured in China as you noted, I believe the company that manufactures them is based in the U.S.
March 3rd, 2007 at 5:05 PM
Just put in 4 n:vision floods 2 weeks ago. (65 watt equiv) 2 have already cracked and burned out. 1 took a couple of days before it lit up properly; started a light purple color, but works now. taking the whole set of 4 back to the home depot. I think n:vision crap quality from china.
March 4th, 2007 at 12:29 PM
I wish all these CFLs had there color temp and CRI listed on the package. You would still need to actually try them, but it least it would be a guid.
I bought 4 Commercial Electric brand CFL bulbs a few years ago that perfectly match the color of incandescents above my wife’s mirror. The won her over! The model number was EDA-14. Now I can’t find anything that matches that color. I even purchased the N:vision EDXA-14 (same company phone number as “Commercial Electric”) but the color is bluer now. Anyone see the old EDA-14 stockpiled somewhere?