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		<title>By: sujal</title>
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		<title>By: dmr</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the editor removed your bank account information. You should post it on the internet again. Could you also provide the passwords I&#039;ll need to access those bank accounts? 

Does sarcasm translate well? I guess we&#039;ll see.</description>
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<p>Does sarcasm translate well? I guess we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: BABIS POLITIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BABIS POLITIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>never again with intrepid</description>
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		<title>By: BABIS POLITIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BABIS POLITIS</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hereby we  do complain, rather intensively, for  the  quality  of  the provided services  during  the Tibet unplugged trip (code FRE).
  Our groupleader mr. Barakunta, to our  opinion, is definitely insufficient for his position both  in terms of  his  assessments of diverse situations as  well as for the inaccuracy of  the information he  provided to us during the whole trip.
  
More concretely,  we  come to notify the following;

1. Really bad  evaluation  of  the health situation of some  members of  the group(4 sick people, thus 30% of the group including him as well). We  made our point clear to him pinpointing the potential dangers this could mean for the group  when ascending to higher altitudes. The whole event took place in Lasa, where there was a  hospital and the ill  members of  the group could easily be examined by  the doctors.
   The whole  thing could  develop  to a crisis situation. To prove the accuracy of  our words, Pal, the Norwegian participant,  asked for  medical help at  the Lasa Chinese military hospital, alone, just the day  after we  had  the talk with  mr Baikunta  about our evaluation of the health status of the group. we  ourselves, gave a lot  of  medicine we brought with us to  other  members of the  group, mr. Baikunta  included, undergoing so the danger  not  to  have enough medication for  us and  the other one  Greek  companion,  if  any urgency  would  show  up.

2. What  really made  us  outrageous was  the  fact that  we were not  informed by  the group leader or  anybody else, that in  order to  have  the  right to stay overnight in the tent in  Everest camp, we were obliged to  order food there. We  felt as complete idiots when we started eating the food we  had  with us. The people in the  tent were gazing at  us as  if  we were the  biggest criminal in  the world. Suddenly the problem arose  out of  the  blue  just  because we were  not  informed.
   Please do  keep in  mind that mr. Baikunta knew already  that only  the Greeks should  walk all the  way up to Everest camp. He  also  knew that we had  bought all provisions needed (specially lots of  dry food and water) from Zhangmu, totally about 20 kg each, a heavy load  to carry  from Rongphu  monastery to the Everest camp. Why should we carry all this load if  we already knew that we shouldn’t have to mind about food? He didn’t tell us anything about that.

3. In the itinerary, it stands  ‘days 10-11 everest  base camp’ and  this means  two  days in either Rongphu monastery and  for the  fittest Everest base camp. From the very beginning we made clear to mr. Baikunta  that these two  days were the  highlight of this trip  for us, the three Greeks.
    To  make sure for  the itinerary, we  checked  it once more two days before we left Greece(28/06/06), and  there was no change.   
    Suddenly,  out of  nowhere (and not in  the  beginning of  the trip as  Intrepid or mr. Barakunta ought to do), we  were informed  that we’d spend only one night either in Rongphu or  in Everest base  camp because  of a road construction  and we’d spend a night in Latse  instead (there was  no  Latse in our itinerary,  which we double checked right before we left Greece).
    We can  accept  the argument  of  the road construction, it’s obvious. What we can’t accept is  the total lack of  information either from Intrepid or  mr. Barakunta’s side because that  road didn’t  start  getting constructed just  the day before we arrived there and you knew it (since Barakunta claims that  he’d told  about the road construction in good time before, but you didn’t make any changes to the itinerary). We  don’t know who is lying, Intrepid or Barakunta. What we know  is  that there were changes in  our plan and  we were  deprived of  one  night in the  EVEREST  camp  which we paid for.
   
For all these  reasons (1-3) and  for many  more which due to  economy of time we are not referring to, we  hereby  demand the following;

   -Half of the sum we paid (643 € out of 1285) to  be given back. 

The nr. Of  bank account for both of us is: Alpha bank (Greece), client nr:XXXXXXX/XX, and the account nr is:XXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX. The name is: Panteleimon Kevrekidis.

  -It’s almost unavoidable not to share our bad Intrepid experience with our colleges at the University where we teach, when asked. Many of them were expecting us to describe our travel experience. Perhaps a call to our media services (tv – radio – newspapers) could also be done.

We are making clear that we don’t complain for the accommodation, we have been in a lot rougher conditions than these,  since we are mountaineers.

-We reserve all our  rights  to address you with all legal means, in case our  minimal demand isn’t  satisfied by Inrepid. We will take advises from Greek  embassy in Australia &amp; from your local tourist government office as well.


 Yours  sincerely 
1. Panteleimon Kevrekidis
2. Charalampos Politis

e-mails: pkevrek@hol.gr, babispolitis@yahoo.com, orfeas@compulaw.gr  

Phones: +XXXXXXXXXXXX (Kevrekidis), +XXXXXXXXXXXX (Politis) 

&lt;i&gt;Editors Note:  Account numbers and phone numbers removed. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hereby we  do complain, rather intensively, for  the  quality  of  the provided services  during  the Tibet unplugged trip (code FRE).<br />
  Our groupleader mr. Barakunta, to our  opinion, is definitely insufficient for his position both  in terms of  his  assessments of diverse situations as  well as for the inaccuracy of  the information he  provided to us during the whole trip.</p>
<p>More concretely,  we  come to notify the following;</p>
<p>1. Really bad  evaluation  of  the health situation of some  members of  the group(4 sick people, thus 30% of the group including him as well). We  made our point clear to him pinpointing the potential dangers this could mean for the group  when ascending to higher altitudes. The whole event took place in Lasa, where there was a  hospital and the ill  members of  the group could easily be examined by  the doctors.<br />
   The whole  thing could  develop  to a crisis situation. To prove the accuracy of  our words, Pal, the Norwegian participant,  asked for  medical help at  the Lasa Chinese military hospital, alone, just the day  after we  had  the talk with  mr Baikunta  about our evaluation of the health status of the group. we  ourselves, gave a lot  of  medicine we brought with us to  other  members of the  group, mr. Baikunta  included, undergoing so the danger  not  to  have enough medication for  us and  the other one  Greek  companion,  if  any urgency  would  show  up.</p>
<p>2. What  really made  us  outrageous was  the  fact that  we were not  informed by  the group leader or  anybody else, that in  order to  have  the  right to stay overnight in the tent in  Everest camp, we were obliged to  order food there. We  felt as complete idiots when we started eating the food we  had  with us. The people in the  tent were gazing at  us as  if  we were the  biggest criminal in  the world. Suddenly the problem arose  out of  the  blue  just  because we were  not  informed.<br />
   Please do  keep in  mind that mr. Baikunta knew already  that only  the Greeks should  walk all the  way up to Everest camp. He  also  knew that we had  bought all provisions needed (specially lots of  dry food and water) from Zhangmu, totally about 20 kg each, a heavy load  to carry  from Rongphu  monastery to the Everest camp. Why should we carry all this load if  we already knew that we shouldn’t have to mind about food? He didn’t tell us anything about that.</p>
<p>3. In the itinerary, it stands  ‘days 10-11 everest  base camp’ and  this means  two  days in either Rongphu monastery and  for the  fittest Everest base camp. From the very beginning we made clear to mr. Baikunta  that these two  days were the  highlight of this trip  for us, the three Greeks.<br />
    To  make sure for  the itinerary, we  checked  it once more two days before we left Greece(28/06/06), and  there was no change.<br />
    Suddenly,  out of  nowhere (and not in  the  beginning of  the trip as  Intrepid or mr. Barakunta ought to do), we  were informed  that we’d spend only one night either in Rongphu or  in Everest base  camp because  of a road construction  and we’d spend a night in Latse  instead (there was  no  Latse in our itinerary,  which we double checked right before we left Greece).<br />
    We can  accept  the argument  of  the road construction, it’s obvious. What we can’t accept is  the total lack of  information either from Intrepid or  mr. Barakunta’s side because that  road didn’t  start  getting constructed just  the day before we arrived there and you knew it (since Barakunta claims that  he’d told  about the road construction in good time before, but you didn’t make any changes to the itinerary). We  don’t know who is lying, Intrepid or Barakunta. What we know  is  that there were changes in  our plan and  we were  deprived of  one  night in the  EVEREST  camp  which we paid for.</p>
<p>For all these  reasons (1-3) and  for many  more which due to  economy of time we are not referring to, we  hereby  demand the following;</p>
<p>   -Half of the sum we paid (643 € out of 1285) to  be given back. </p>
<p>The nr. Of  bank account for both of us is: Alpha bank (Greece), client nr:XXXXXXX/XX, and the account nr is:XXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX. The name is: Panteleimon Kevrekidis.</p>
<p>  -It’s almost unavoidable not to share our bad Intrepid experience with our colleges at the University where we teach, when asked. Many of them were expecting us to describe our travel experience. Perhaps a call to our media services (tv – radio – newspapers) could also be done.</p>
<p>We are making clear that we don’t complain for the accommodation, we have been in a lot rougher conditions than these,  since we are mountaineers.</p>
<p>-We reserve all our  rights  to address you with all legal means, in case our  minimal demand isn’t  satisfied by Inrepid. We will take advises from Greek  embassy in Australia &amp; from your local tourist government office as well.</p>
<p> Yours  sincerely<br />
1. Panteleimon Kevrekidis<br />
2. Charalampos Politis</p>
<p>e-mails: <a href="mailto:pkevrek@hol.gr">pkevrek@hol.gr</a>, <a href="mailto:babispolitis@yahoo.com">babispolitis@yahoo.com</a>, <a href="mailto:orfeas@compulaw.gr">orfeas@compulaw.gr</a>  </p>
<p>Phones: +XXXXXXXXXXXX (Kevrekidis), +XXXXXXXXXXXX (Politis) </p>
<p><i>Editors Note:  Account numbers and phone numbers removed. </i></p>
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