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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-417920</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  I stumbled across the article while researching washers and dryers and I linked it my current post.  Still great information!  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  I stumbled across the article while researching washers and dryers and I linked it my current post.  Still great information!  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: hleahh</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-122557</link>
		<dc:creator>hleahh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall correctly, there was a Maytag that had this agitator (or lacked an agitator) that worked like a front loader but was a top loader -- don&#039;t know if that would share the shakity-shakes.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maytag.com/mths/products/apl_family.jsp?family=Neptune+Top-Load+Washers&amp;domain=Washers&amp;cs=0&amp;BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Top Loading Neptune&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall correctly, there was a Maytag that had this agitator (or lacked an agitator) that worked like a front loader but was a top loader &#8212; don&#8217;t know if that would share the shakity-shakes.<br />
<a href="http://www.maytag.com/mths/products/apl_family.jsp?family=Neptune+Top-Load+Washers&#038;domain=Washers&#038;cs=0&#038;BV_UseBVCookie=Yes" rel="nofollow">Top Loading Neptune</a></p>
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		<title>By: sujal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sujal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NWArchitect, great point.  We read the same thing but luckily, our wash area is in the basement on a concrete floor.  This was the most common complaint we found online about all of the front loaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NWArchitect, great point.  We read the same thing but luckily, our wash area is in the basement on a concrete floor.  This was the most common complaint we found online about all of the front loaders.</p>
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		<title>By: NWArchitect</title>
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		<dc:creator>NWArchitect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We thought we were doing the right thing when buying a handsome LG front loading clothes washer and matching dryer - save energy, save water, save the environment.  LG makes nice machines.  The well-designed controls and switches are much easier to read than those on any other manufacturers&#039; machines: the washer does a great job cleaning the clothes, and the dryer does its job equally well.

But we didn&#039;t realize that when the manufacturer&#039;s instructions say the machines must be installed on a solidly built floor, they meant a SOLID CONCRETE floor.  Our floors are wood framed, 2x10&#039;s 16 inches on center, with a short span.  The house is well built, but that&#039;s not good enough. The front-loading washing machine shakes and vibrates the whole house when spinning at medium speed, heaven help us if we go up to extra high speed.  I think it would set off earthquake alarms!

We have now done our homework, a little bit late, and find that these bad vibrations are experienced by owners of all brands of front-loading horizontal axis machines.  Apparently the manufacturers have not yet learned how to control the dynamics of a horizontally spinning wash tub with an unbalanced load, even though the design has been used for years in commercial laundries and laundromats.  A friend of ours who used to own a number of laundromats said, “We always had to bolt our front-loading machines to the floor.”  Our understanding now is: all front-loading washers will shake and vibrate; they must be level with all four feet bearing equally on the floor; the floor must be absolutely solid like concrete.

So we have two choices – rebuild the house, or bite the bullet and trade-in these almost-new LG front-loaders for a pair of top-loading Maytags, old technology like the ones that served us well for 25 years.  Even that may soon become a problem.  We have heard that the USEPA has enacted energy standards that will cause manufacturers to stop producing top-loading clothes washers in the next couple of years.

Our recommendation: if your laundry area has a wooden floor, wait for the front-loading horizontal axis technology to improve.  Instead, buy a good quality top-loading clothes washer and dryer.  Buy the long-term service agreement, so you have options when parts become unavailable.  But by all means, buy the top-loading machine NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We thought we were doing the right thing when buying a handsome LG front loading clothes washer and matching dryer &#8211; save energy, save water, save the environment.  LG makes nice machines.  The well-designed controls and switches are much easier to read than those on any other manufacturers&#8217; machines: the washer does a great job cleaning the clothes, and the dryer does its job equally well.</p>
<p>But we didn&#8217;t realize that when the manufacturer&#8217;s instructions say the machines must be installed on a solidly built floor, they meant a SOLID CONCRETE floor.  Our floors are wood framed, 2&#215;10&#8217;s 16 inches on center, with a short span.  The house is well built, but that&#8217;s not good enough. The front-loading washing machine shakes and vibrates the whole house when spinning at medium speed, heaven help us if we go up to extra high speed.  I think it would set off earthquake alarms!</p>
<p>We have now done our homework, a little bit late, and find that these bad vibrations are experienced by owners of all brands of front-loading horizontal axis machines.  Apparently the manufacturers have not yet learned how to control the dynamics of a horizontally spinning wash tub with an unbalanced load, even though the design has been used for years in commercial laundries and laundromats.  A friend of ours who used to own a number of laundromats said, “We always had to bolt our front-loading machines to the floor.”  Our understanding now is: all front-loading washers will shake and vibrate; they must be level with all four feet bearing equally on the floor; the floor must be absolutely solid like concrete.</p>
<p>So we have two choices – rebuild the house, or bite the bullet and trade-in these almost-new LG front-loaders for a pair of top-loading Maytags, old technology like the ones that served us well for 25 years.  Even that may soon become a problem.  We have heard that the USEPA has enacted energy standards that will cause manufacturers to stop producing top-loading clothes washers in the next couple of years.</p>
<p>Our recommendation: if your laundry area has a wooden floor, wait for the front-loading horizontal axis technology to improve.  Instead, buy a good quality top-loading clothes washer and dryer.  Buy the long-term service agreement, so you have options when parts become unavailable.  But by all means, buy the top-loading machine NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: hleahh</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-121026</link>
		<dc:creator>hleahh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the primary laundry doer in the house (Sujal&#039;s laundry, too), I feel it is my duty to respond to you, Jennifer.  Yes, we still like the LG, but in all honesty, I&#039;m not sure I see a hell of a lot of difference between out current washer and others.  I&#039;d never owned appliances before, so they are not as crappy as 2 cycle-option puppies -- and I think that&#039;s my favorite part -- the varieties of option.  I ;like that I can wash things quickly -- on the fast cycle -- like rags.  I feel like I have a bit more control over how the thing is washing and drying, but it takes just as long as any washer or dryer I&#039;ve had in the past.  The dryer has a sensor feature so when it senses the clothes are dry it finishes its cycle.  Let&#039;s just say the dryer and I do not always agree that the clothes are fully dry.  So I either set it for extra dry or I hang the still slightly damp clothes on our drying rack.  But I;ll tell you, using this washer and dryer -- I feel like housewife extraordinaire!  It makes me want to put on a frilly apron and dance with a mop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the primary laundry doer in the house (Sujal&#8217;s laundry, too), I feel it is my duty to respond to you, Jennifer.  Yes, we still like the LG, but in all honesty, I&#8217;m not sure I see a hell of a lot of difference between out current washer and others.  I&#8217;d never owned appliances before, so they are not as crappy as 2 cycle-option puppies &#8212; and I think that&#8217;s my favorite part &#8212; the varieties of option.  I ;like that I can wash things quickly &#8212; on the fast cycle &#8212; like rags.  I feel like I have a bit more control over how the thing is washing and drying, but it takes just as long as any washer or dryer I&#8217;ve had in the past.  The dryer has a sensor feature so when it senses the clothes are dry it finishes its cycle.  Let&#8217;s just say the dryer and I do not always agree that the clothes are fully dry.  So I either set it for extra dry or I hang the still slightly damp clothes on our drying rack.  But I;ll tell you, using this washer and dryer &#8212; I feel like housewife extraordinaire!  It makes me want to put on a frilly apron and dance with a mop!</p>
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		<title>By: sujal</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-121023</link>
		<dc:creator>sujal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We still do.  The machines have worked great, they&#039;re quiet, and they clean well.  

If you&#039;re looking at the combo machine in order to save on having to bye a separate washer and dryer, I&#039;d caution you about that.  It&#039;s definitely more convenient, but take a close look at the running times for the wash and dryer cycle.  While it&#039;s able to do both jobs, it doesn&#039;t do it as well.

I remember, for example, that the drying time for the dryer was way, way longer in the combo unit than the standalone unit.  Our dryer takes about 55 minutes to dry one of our typical loads (two adults).  The brochure said that the combo unit would take at least another 20 minutes or so.  

There&#039;s energy costs there, obviously. 

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We still do.  The machines have worked great, they&#8217;re quiet, and they clean well.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking at the combo machine in order to save on having to bye a separate washer and dryer, I&#8217;d caution you about that.  It&#8217;s definitely more convenient, but take a close look at the running times for the wash and dryer cycle.  While it&#8217;s able to do both jobs, it doesn&#8217;t do it as well.</p>
<p>I remember, for example, that the drying time for the dryer was way, way longer in the combo unit than the standalone unit.  Our dryer takes about 55 minutes to dry one of our typical loads (two adults).  The brochure said that the combo unit would take at least another 20 minutes or so.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s energy costs there, obviously. </p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you still like the LG?  I have been reading up on the front-loaders.  I like the idea of saving on water and energy savings from spinning the water out of the clothes more efficiently so drying time is cut.  I have not been too thrilled about the consumer feedback for the Maytag Neptunes or Sears products and saw the E-pinions reviews on the LG model.  Do you still like the LG?  Let me know if it&#039;s still living up to the original excitement.  I need the washer/dryer combo.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you still like the LG?  I have been reading up on the front-loaders.  I like the idea of saving on water and energy savings from spinning the water out of the clothes more efficiently so drying time is cut.  I have not been too thrilled about the consumer feedback for the Maytag Neptunes or Sears products and saw the E-pinions reviews on the LG model.  Do you still like the LG?  Let me know if it&#8217;s still living up to the original excitement.  I need the washer/dryer combo.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Maryanne</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-119270</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always used the hotest water available when i washed my kids diapers. Rubber pants were hand washed and rinsed, then pinned up outside on the clothesline along with the diapers on laundry day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always used the hotest water available when i washed my kids diapers. Rubber pants were hand washed and rinsed, then pinned up outside on the clothesline along with the diapers on laundry day.</p>
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		<title>By: A Consumer Reports...</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Consumer Reports...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Buying a Washer and Dryer&lt;/strong&gt;

FatMixx � First big appliance purchase These consumers write an entire report on their adventure to buy a washer and dryer. They eventually consulted with ePinion and Consumer Reports, but they did a lot of their own investigation, too. Here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Buying a Washer and Dryer</strong></p>
<p>FatMixx � First big appliance purchase These consumers write an entire report on their adventure to buy a washer and dryer. They eventually consulted with ePinion and Consumer Reports, but they did a lot of their own investigation, too. Here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dmr</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-25226</link>
		<dc:creator>dmr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;We figured it would be nice to have a set that would last us through whenever we had kids&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Aaaaaah!!!&lt;/i&gt; Way to spring that one on us, guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>We figured it would be nice to have a set that would last us through whenever we had kids</b></p>
<p><i>Aaaaaah!!!</i> Way to spring that one on us, guys!</p>
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		<title>By: NYC 17</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-24599</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC 17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can actually buy the aluminum vent, replace it on your dryer and run it to the wall mount. Depending on the wall mount, you may need to cut into it (if it is dry wall) or set up a new connection (a couple of different ways; more labor intensive but very doable). The cost for the new, aluminum vent is relatively cheap. The patch work for dry wall is easy, quick and not that expensive... the taping is the hardest part but if not painting, no big deal.

Depending on how much vent runs through the wall... cleaning can be easy... might take a little while depending on whether or not it&#039;s curved.

Congrats! on the new purchase.

I am buying a new refrigerator with my tax refund this weekend. A 26.5 cubic Foot side by side with filtered water and crushed/cubed ice. I have already decided (because I can afford it with my tax refund) to forego connecting the refrigerator to the water source myself. This time, the plummer can do it.

As my wife and I usually say... February is tax refund/new appliance month.

BTW, if you run into problems with the venting...call my brother. Number is on the NERFL list. He owns his own home renovations business and can give tips and pointers over the phone... had him on the phone ten times when I gutted and rebuilt my downstairs bathroom.

Congratulations, again!! and good luck with the extra work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can actually buy the aluminum vent, replace it on your dryer and run it to the wall mount. Depending on the wall mount, you may need to cut into it (if it is dry wall) or set up a new connection (a couple of different ways; more labor intensive but very doable). The cost for the new, aluminum vent is relatively cheap. The patch work for dry wall is easy, quick and not that expensive&#8230; the taping is the hardest part but if not painting, no big deal.</p>
<p>Depending on how much vent runs through the wall&#8230; cleaning can be easy&#8230; might take a little while depending on whether or not it&#8217;s curved.</p>
<p>Congrats! on the new purchase.</p>
<p>I am buying a new refrigerator with my tax refund this weekend. A 26.5 cubic Foot side by side with filtered water and crushed/cubed ice. I have already decided (because I can afford it with my tax refund) to forego connecting the refrigerator to the water source myself. This time, the plummer can do it.</p>
<p>As my wife and I usually say&#8230; February is tax refund/new appliance month.</p>
<p>BTW, if you run into problems with the venting&#8230;call my brother. Number is on the NERFL list. He owns his own home renovations business and can give tips and pointers over the phone&#8230; had him on the phone ten times when I gutted and rebuilt my downstairs bathroom.</p>
<p>Congratulations, again!! and good luck with the extra work.</p>
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		<title>By: sujal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sujal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip.  I think I&#039;m going to try to do it myself.  I&#039;m planning on going into that side of teh basement and seeing how bad it would be to run it myself.  The existing vent is mostly clean, but is plastic and has some minor cracks...  bad news all around.

I&#039;ll give them a call if it looks too difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip.  I think I&#8217;m going to try to do it myself.  I&#8217;m planning on going into that side of teh basement and seeing how bad it would be to run it myself.  The existing vent is mostly clean, but is plastic and has some minor cracks&#8230;  bad news all around.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give them a call if it looks too difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: kareem</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-24292</link>
		<dc:creator>kareem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend sticking with the extended warranty.  My dryer busted about a week after the 1 year manufacturer&#039;s warranty expirer, and I had to pay $100+ for repairs.

Also, if you&#039;re messing with dryer venting, give Dr Dryer Vent a call: 1.866.4DR.VENT.  They&#039;re the only company in CT that specializes in cleaning vents thoroughly (other companies do it, but it&#039;s a half-assed job).  These guys attach a big-ass blower to one end, turn it on, and then break up debris in the vent with a long wire attached to a drill.  The wire breaks up birds&#039; nests, lint buildup, etc, and the blower shoots it out the side of the house.  Gets rids of a big ass fire hazard; I was stunned how much flammable crap came shooting out the side of my vent.

Also, they can install aluminum (?) dryer venting for about $100... they did for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend sticking with the extended warranty.  My dryer busted about a week after the 1 year manufacturer&#8217;s warranty expirer, and I had to pay $100+ for repairs.</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re messing with dryer venting, give Dr Dryer Vent a call: 1.866.4DR.VENT.  They&#8217;re the only company in CT that specializes in cleaning vents thoroughly (other companies do it, but it&#8217;s a half-assed job).  These guys attach a big-ass blower to one end, turn it on, and then break up debris in the vent with a long wire attached to a drill.  The wire breaks up birds&#8217; nests, lint buildup, etc, and the blower shoots it out the side of the house.  Gets rids of a big ass fire hazard; I was stunned how much flammable crap came shooting out the side of my vent.</p>
<p>Also, they can install aluminum (?) dryer venting for about $100&#8230; they did for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamar</title>
		<link>http://www.fatmixx.com/2005/02/19/first-big-appliance-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-24256</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re real grown-ups now! You know you&#039;re old when you start getting excited about new appliances. ;-)

We went the opposite way with our washer/dryer. We basically bought the not-quite bottom of the line Sears stuff because we probably won&#039;t live in this house more than 5 years and we&#039;ll just leave them for the new owners. We did get a gas dryer though which I am really happy with, it&#039;s much more efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re real grown-ups now! You know you&#8217;re old when you start getting excited about new appliances. <img src='http://www.fatmixx.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We went the opposite way with our washer/dryer. We basically bought the not-quite bottom of the line Sears stuff because we probably won&#8217;t live in this house more than 5 years and we&#8217;ll just leave them for the new owners. We did get a gas dryer though which I am really happy with, it&#8217;s much more efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: hleahh</title>
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		<dc:creator>hleahh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Special thanks to Lesa and Jonathan on the info....  Now we can be almost as cool as you guys with our fancy washer and dryer.

And Kirsten, Myles Pat, and Rebecca -- I recall our New Year&#039;s Eve conversation of getting excited about appliances.  Man, Sujal was almost wetting himself, he was so excited about buying new appliances.  Me, i was okay with &quot; &#039;Ol Noisy&quot; in the basement.</description>
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<p>And Kirsten, Myles Pat, and Rebecca &#8212; I recall our New Year&#8217;s Eve conversation of getting excited about appliances.  Man, Sujal was almost wetting himself, he was so excited about buying new appliances.  Me, i was okay with &#8221; &#8216;Ol Noisy&#8221; in the basement.</p>
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